Was it this one? There seems to be a certain subset that cannot see criticism of a man without bringing in criticism of a woman to make it ‘fair’ or distract or whatever and i think that’s all that’s happening here. So forgiveness is available, but not for those who continue with such behaviour, including idolaters or revilers and all the others listed. Re-read what you said. I have a feeling you had written that post months ago, Think how they might view this. Sometimes we can’t see the tree through the forest. James: Ravi, just tell our viewers, just very briefly the name of the center so if they go to Ravi Zacharias International Ministries, R.Z.I.M. “LET HE WHO HAS NOT SINNED, CAST THE FIRST STONE”…THE STONE HAS BEEN CAST & GOD IS THE ONLY JUDGE…NOT US! Christ, much less an effeminate one, would be a distorted image’. Last week was incredibly busy, and utterly wore me out. Well, probably because their churches are full of greedy, arrogant slanderers! The two former Ravi-colleagues both clearly remember that Ravi did not preach at the graduation. Ravi Zacharias and Vince Vitale carefully walk you through a variety of responses that considered together provide a clear, comprehensive, and convincing answer. I’m learning the Occult hides sin, the Occult doesn’t live in truth, the Occult lives in darkness and the Occult sweeps sin under the carpet and unfortunately every church movement ever sat in. Instead of loudly declaring she was “unclean!”, she pressed through the crowd, making anyone she touched ceremonially unclean, and then touched a rabbi, making him ceremonially unclean, not to ignore the fact that she is a woman. RZ, on the other hand, has a long history of truth distortion and lying. Serving Kids and Katy have asked questions and I would like to reply, but not too much at once, and I also like time to think. No. This site serves as a way for people to vent their frustration with the way Christian culture has been enamored sometime with the celebrity pastor/speaker. Satan will attack the church wherever he can. I have no axe to grind either for or against him, I’ve not read him and rarely heard him. I speak from experience as someone who grew up in an IFB cuture enthralled by Jack Hyles. I cannot but compare the ongoing saga of allegations and counter-claims against RZ with the death of Rachel Held Evans. It’s a correct if not a pleasant task to reveal Evans’ heretical waywardness and point people away from her, and this can be one without making it a personal attack on her. Feb 22, 2018 - Explore Lucky Brandy's board "Dr. Ravi Zacharias", followed by 150 people on Pinterest. Youtube Ravi Zacharias Warning Yoga Meditation Bible ravi zacharias yoga and meditation is important information accompanied by photo and HD pictures sourced from all websites in the world. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. Perhaps this toddler p’astor’s goal was to shut up those of us “sheep women” who were questioning his comp teachings as well as calling him out on his questionable immoral (as defined by Jesus) behavioral patterns that he exhibited while in his “self important p’astoral office.”. Far from it. Mark – I think we will have to be careful not to exhaust the patience of our host in an important, but tangential topic. I cannot but compare the ongoing saga of allegations and counter-claims against RZ with the death of Rachel Held Evans. Mark – So, on the other hand, you are saying that an LGBT person cannot be saved. The binary of father/mother, son/daughter, boy/ girl, truth/ error or light/darkness are not interchangeable in the world God created – regardless of what our current ignorant society tries to maintain. According to Ravi’s erstwhile business partner, Anurag Sharma (co-founder of Jivan), the business had to be closed because of the way Ravi treated the women who worked there. This should not be ignored, a very serious issue. “Similarly, God could be thought of as being like a mother, but is never defined as a mother.”. Ever. Certain genders get a “free pass” to sin, sin again, and sin some more throughout their lives and we, the lower laity dogs, are mandated to forgive, forget, and put our hope, trust, and the eternal security of our own lives and livelihood in the “care” of our religious male leaders, with particular emphasis on the p’astor man, for after all, are they not “anointed and closer to god?” Meanwhile, back at the farm, the female sheep are led to believe that they are “weaker, more emotional (thanks, but no thanks to a sermonette I listened to on pirate christian (?) This is the difference between metaphor and simile. Yes, God can snap his fingers and remove sin and its desire, but we just don’t see that as a pattern. Arrogance. I had depression for many years as well as suicidal ideation, and complementarian contributed to that, as did other standard conservative Christian beliefs. “Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.” James 3:1 (NASB). Ravi Zacharias is on his deathbed [editor note: this post was written two days before Ravi Zacharias’ death], but his lies continue to surface. I don’t exclude other pictures – father, protector, warrior – but this is a legitimate reference of God. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself. And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing And fools hate knowledge? He surely didn’t need the money. The symbolism obviously comes from the OT (I understand this as symbolic criticism of a literal phenomenon). I sometimes had some sympathy for her critique, and was wary of simply believing the worst. Even Jesus said “And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?” Luke 12. Katy, really thank you for your June 1st response; Zoe for your June 2nd. That is a strong statement indeed! I think this is similar. He has talked about the woman with the flow of blood who touched Jesus’s cloak. His outlook was grim. There is no need for the Christian to be “put right” with God. That poor woman died and has nothing to do with this and they can’t leave her alone. Download for offline reading, highlight, bookmark or take notes while you read The Lotus and the Cross: Jesus Talks with Buddha. See more ideas about apologetics, ravi zacharias, christian apologetics. One week after this graduation Ravi married Margie. We all have some darkness within us. But you were washed and justified etc. So, if it is apostate to refer to God as mother or female, why do the Bible and Jesus, specifically, seem to be fine with the apostasy? The double standard is very much evident in accusing a woman of apostasy ad excusing a sexual predator and liar because of his gender. But does that make sense? Mark “You’re posting on a blog of people, many of whom have left churches or the faith because of spiritual abuse with a claim like that?” Why not, I’m not claiming it as a universal truth, but it’s my real world experience. It is because we have distorted our picture of God and replaced it with a man-made idol. The timing of the internet clip and failure to express any condolences (though much better that than pretend, British style) will make it unlikely the family will respond favourably to the NDA request. In John 8:7 no stones were thrown because no witnesses were without sin. Yet, given all this “unrighteousness” in the woman’s actions and demeanor, what is Jesus’s response? “That’s certainly been my experience of those who cease to believe: the real reason has always be moral (or rather immorality to be more accurate) rather than intellectual.”. Has no one condemned you?”, And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”, 12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. I’m not convinced that the period immediately following death is the right one for this. ( Log Out /  Do we strive to not do it again? Slander. 3. I think it is unfair to compare Rachel Held Evans to RZ. Would you describe yourself as a legalist? Especially when “discernment” has been redefined into meaning only seeing DEMONS and WITCHES and ENEMIES under every bed, My Dear Wormwood. Unusually high amount of cash floating around What are Words of Witness, if not a sermon? The first is the Lord’s supper in 1 Cor: “Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of [profaning] the body and blood of the Lord. The person who continues to sin is often the one who finds (surprise!) “Egalitarianism, coupled with feminism, lead to sexual and gender confusion and idolatry”. Declared him to be apostate. The lack of truly living James 1:27 and Matthew 25:31-end, the NO LOVE of serving people and living love and Christlikeness in our Leaders and NOW hear we are as a Nation! Online, they can go and learn even more about it and be involved. I take ‘her children’ to mean the spiritual progeny of Jezebel, those who follow in her footsteps in church history teaching immorality (literal and spiritual) and idolatry (I think witchcraft is at the back of this – “what some call the deep things of Satan”). Simply affirming sinful behaviour is often enough. Feb 4, 2014 - Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. I forgive Ravi for his misdeeds in life and I thank God for the work he did to bring the “light of life” to so many, including myself. Popovich goes off on 'deranged' Trump after riot. Vince Vitale and Ravi Zacharias answer the question asked at the University of Florida, "Is God Okay with People Being Transgendered?" Someone had asked me about RZ and I absolutely knew nothing about him and referred them to this site for research, as it’s one of the best. @rzimhq & @abdumurray & @ramsdenmichael cruelly continue to carefully curate his reputation. In the light of Jesus Christ, I am educated and experienced in religious as well as humanistic abuse regarding all things “comp.” And when slavery was abolished and women were allowed the “right to vote,” from the noel of my rock field, I can almost hear the cries of those abusive comp men of recent and past times crying out to the lord of sheol, “oh no lord (the sons of satan), please don’t let our slaves go, for that means we have to get our own hands dirty and calloused…….and actually sweat by the labor of the plow.”. Similarly if you want an honest answer I was not impressed with the timing of Lori Anne’s internet appeal for the same reason. Never.”. With her there was criticism of the response of some to her untimely death (a willingness to assign her eternal destiny), notwithstanding by her own testimony she was well on her way to apostasy and teaching others to follow in the same path. Which leads to my next point…. ( Log Out /  Primarily what did or did not go on is between the parties concerned, and I do not have to make a judgement on this (although I have an opinion). If you had been following trends in society and the institutional church, for example in the Church of England (which you won’t have but it’s more on my doorstep) you would see more of what I am getting at with the mother God concept. There is a doctrine in the NT of God’s judgement involving an early death, I have never heard it preached on this side of the Pond, just enough reference to it to make me look it up for myself, and maybe in both cases God has brought a life to an end early – who knows, perhaps to save them rather than lose them where sin was gaining the upper hand. As well, I have never heard or read anyone question him about it. That’s the gist of a story Ravi Zacharias told recently about his experience discussing atheistic evolution with a scientist. But what about the optics? One wonders why Margie did not insist that her partner in ministry refrain from this lie, and from numerous others. Ravi’s problems with back pain were well-documented. Where is this group helping with that? LGBT is a much more difficult and nuanced topic, and while I can’t say I would “praise” certain behaviors, I suppose that the modern-day Pharisees have the same opinion of a modern-day Jesus – “Why is your Jesus eating with the Democrats and the LGBTQ+ community?”, I suppose that the modern-day Pharisees have the same opinion of a modern-day Jesus – “Why is your Jesus eating with the Democrats and the LGBTQ+ community?”, Or, in the words that they would more likely use, “Why is your Jesus eating with the traitors and filthy perverts?”. He reminded me of a former school friend who died not so very long ago who spent his life in a fantasy world of pretending to be someone he was not: “I just wonder if this phenomenon is being replicated in the life of Ravi. Now Ravi is dead is there much point continuing with the exposure of misconduct on his part, or at the very least shouldn’t this wait until the funeral and mourning are over for the family? I didn’t think she was wise saying she wasn’t ‘doing this to become well-known’ whilst using the very public platform of the internet. And a site from a poster entitled raviwatch.com? Thank you for your response. Prov 1:20-23 (and following) “Wisdom shouts in the street, She lifts her voice in the square; At the head of the noisy streets she cries out; At the entrance of the gates in the city she utters her sayings: “How long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded? https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2019/06/24/as-a-new-christian-and-missionary-alliance-minister-ravi-zacharias-pressured-his-brothers-16-yr-old-girlfriend-to-have-illegal-abortion/. … Then I was beside Him, as a master workman; And I was daily His delight, Rejoicing always before Him, Rejoicing in the world, His earth, And having my delight in the sons of men.” They are reading Ravi‘s memoirs, Walking From East to West, and noticed the following passage at page 170: As the date approached for my graduation from Ontario Bible college on the last Saturday in April 1972, I was asked to preach at the ceremony. Ravi Zacharias, If you’re a frequent listener of Let My People Think or friend of the ministry, you may know that RZIM’s Founder, the late Ravi Zacharias passed away earlier this year. So, on the other hand, you are saying that an LGBT person cannot be saved. There is a newly bereaved widow, children and grandchildren who are not responsible for Ravi’s sins. I’m old enough to remember charismatic splits and disputations, and there might be some who left the faith because of that coupled with heavy leadership if I thought hard enough, but of the people I have known well the way out of the faith was via immorality. Instead, along with another student, he gave one of the “usual” testimonies. ‘ANONYMOUS’, Ron’s comment seems to excuse blatant abuse. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Serving Kids – the only other comment I have made on this elsewhere was to remind some Ravi admirers about both this incident and the allegation of procuring an abortion. I know Ravi Z. did some bad stuff, which I will not defend, but he is dead now and cannot harm any one ever again. Saved from youtube.com. (Pawson). And I quote this mother, “There was so much pain and grief in watching my daughter suffer, that I couldn’t take it anymore and had to finally give it all to the LORD, beckoning Him, “Please LORD, if it is your Will, bring her back Home to You because it is so hard seeing her suffer like this.” ”. And let’s not forget that his family are likely in charge of his legal affairs, and therefore can choose to annul the NDA. Their article on the matter suggests much more complexity: https://www.barna.com/research/six-reasons-young-christians-leave-church/ Some intellectual, some experiential, some moral. when does it cross the line to judgement? While studying philosophy, he (Steve) ran across the works of the highly respected Christian apologist, Ravi Zacharias–and then Steve uncovered a colossal number of lies and cover-ups by him. This is not sprinkle or immerse or how you do communion or what kind of music, but affirming what God has clearly revealed he detests, and therefore issues regarding salvation itself. “Christianity is a revealed religion, and we are not at liberty to change it to fit in with our confused culture and its increasing paganism.”. We have sat in the pews of double standards regarding the 501.c 3 c’hurch for decades listening to the manure spewed out regarding the “higher standards” in this life. Out of compassion for his many victims please stop promoting his name & teaching. I had some strong theological differences with her, but I’m not aware of any credible accusations that RHE ever inflated her academic credentials or engaged in sexual misconduct. I appreciate that might not be an easy thing to do, quite the contrary, but in this sense it might be merciful and allow her to move on. Ravi Zacharias, with his chronic lies and sexual misconduct with a vulnerable married woman, has not exhibited exceptional moral character for decades. This is another place where you have exposed being a Pharisee. It is not necessarily the opinion of any entity by which I am employed, any church at which I am a member, any church which I attend, or the educational institution at which I am enrolled. I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her immorality”. No, it is not, but the truth is that when we become a new creation, we still have indwelling sin. For those wondering why anyone would bring up Ravi’s sins and abuses after his death, or so soon afterwards: Yesterday was filled with sobbing. “It was a great honor,” he wrote. Google has many special features to help you find exactly what you're looking for. You teach heresy, KAS, as in complementarianism, even though comp has damaged many women including myself and I believe your daughter. Uncleanness and wickedness are treated nearly synonymously in the Old Testament. For the believer, however, there could be deeper spiritual concerns. Walter Martin literally wrote the book on cults, and Ravi Zacharias edited it. Should we stone or not stone? YouTube. What I was convicted of, though, is that the Reformed/Evangelical church specifically chooses some sins to be worthy of scorn, shame and excommunication where other sins are ignored or even winked at. According to his friend Johnny Hunt, who was recently interviewed by Steve Baughman, Ravi hoped to use the profits from the spa to spread the gospel. And KAS, do you not have that Heavenly God Given gift of love, compassion, and empathy, towards those sheep (born again believers), with whom are hurting, struggling, beling treated as slaves in this modern world, and used and abused…….to build up m’an’s systems…..rather than pointing people to an eternal Savior? From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth. Christianity Today allowed Zacharias to tell his side of the story, when Lori Anne (because of the NDA) couldn’t do the same. I haven’t remotely suggested that discernment and uncovering of wrong-doing in the case of RZ should cease now that he has died, but I would question the timing of it. These cookies do not store any personal information. Isaiah wasn’t confronted with his unclean lips until he was presented with a vision of the holiness of God. To my mind she made a strategic error in both timing and lack of sympathy for the loss suffered by the family, and perhaps should have gone to them privately. If Shirley’s story is true, then Ravi’s brother and former sister-in-law (and perhaps his wife) were involved in committing an illegal abortion, and left a teenage girl feeling scared, abandoned and ashamed. If a person is a greedy, arrogant, slanderer, like I was when I was part of NAPARC, they can live their whole lives without coming face to face with that truth, because those things are pretty much praised, as long as they are coupled with the right dose of charity, false humility and pretended concern. KAS, “he has to put it right before God sooner or later”, I think you misunderstand my point. It is as if slavery was never abolished and the yoke and burden that Jesus mandated with His own Words, never existed? This is REALITY. How can you reconcile that with Paul’s statement, unless you take Paul’s statement as (1) declarative – that is we are declared innocent of sin when we are justified, or (2) general truth – that is we expect to see a general move towards righteousness. But some of his family still share in Ravi’s sins. Why I Believe Jesus Ravi Zacharias. Women in his employ are, at the same time, claiming sexual abuse. You didn’t stop enjoying sin. I would also include knee-jerk defences of him as well. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Seriously……..would love to admit that “I don’t get it……in willful ignorance,” but having been married to a “complementarian” m’an for over thirty years of my earthly, I cannot lie and say that I am ignorant. In his autobiography Ravi claims that he was chosen to preach at his … Feb 4, 2014 - Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Why should he care about that when he thinks women who wish to be considered equal and full human beings are ‘confused’ and probably idolaters and in the occult. Maybe with the abject levels of discernment in much of modern western evangelicalism it may not be as impossible as it seems. I haven’t formed much of an opinion about Lori Anne, it’s superficial for reasons I have already given. He says the students had requested that Ravi do a sermon, and that this was an unusual honor for a student. Zacharias joined the chorus of woke theology and promoted a watered-down version of “gay Christianity“ On May 8, Ravi Zacharias family announced that a tumor on the apologist’s sacrum had metastasized and while the original tumor itself had shrunk, the metastatic cancer was not responding to treatment. Mark: “You’re posting on a blog of people, many of whom have left churches or the faith because of spiritual abuse with a claim like that?”. The latest round of allegations suggest the late evangelist was guilty of sexual misconduct in massage businesses which he owned, locared close to the ravi zacharias international ministries offices in atlanta. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. In addition to his earnings from book royalties, Ravi Zacharias’ salary from Ravi Zachrias International Ministries (RZIM) approached nearly $200,000 per year. To my mind she made a strategic error in both timing and lack of sympathy for the loss suffered by the family, and perhaps should have gone to them privately. He basically painted her as a greedy slut, while refusing to answer any questions about the messages he sent to Lori Anne, in which he allegedly threatened suicide. What was Ravi Zacharias thinking? We Westerners think that this is a wonderful, warm, story, but the story is much more shocking. When Paul wrote to Thessalonica and said But we were gentle among you, like a nurse taking care of her children I don’t think of himself as finding his feminine side, but rather using a metaphor for being extra caring. F1 101-250 Front Street, West Toronto, Ontario M5V 3G5, Canada (416) 385-9199 info@rzim.ca. It focuses on evangelism, apologetics, spiritual disciplines and training. Fashion and Beauty. In addition to his earnings from book royalties, Ravi Zacharias’ salary from Ravi Zachrias International Ministries (RZIM) approached nearly $200,000 per year. How can the visible c’hristian c’hurch system here in America, parallel Islam within the complementarian pseudo-biblical worldview? It’s not surprising, then, to see someone like Ravi to weaponize the appearance of holiness to gain power and money, and then use it to victimize people. One of the descriptive characteristics of “jezebel” is sexual immorality. “Do not judge so that you will not be judged.” Matthew 7 So forgive them for they know not what they do..(That is for Ravi, You, and Me). Why I Believe Jesus Ravi Zacharias. All three of the ordained female bishops accept gay marriage (one of them is a lesbian, and either she or one of the others wants to introduce her brother bishops to ‘God as Mother’) and all 10 prospective female bishops agree with gay marriage. Ravi Zacharias’ spa even encouraged its customers to take part in the pagan religious practice of Yoga. If they have intellectual disagreements, it means you’re not a good enough theologian, and if they have been mistreated, it means you mistreated them. I do not and cannot know how genuine Zacharias’ repentance was. So, instead, you label them as immoral and encourage the church not to ask them what happened. Simply because he disagreed with their approach to church discipline. Personally, I have never been comfortable with any one taking pot shots against any one after they are dead, Here’s the way I see it. “World is Predicated on Lies”! To claim Ravi Zacharias as a supporter of “Traditionalism” is to utterly misread the article. Responses like: Where there is the possibility of love, there has to be the reality of freedom, and therefore the possibility of pain. Men, even those who claim they are c’hristian, do NOT “own” women, nor, were we created with half a brain, considered the “lessers” within the so called secular evolutionary process. Yesterday (May 16, 2020) I was contacted by two students, both Christians, who were at OBC with Ravi and attended the graduation. This is a wicked picture. If you didn’t already know the issue about the NDA you wouldn’t be much the wiser after viewing the clip. That article was actually one of the reasons why Julie Anne and Brad Sargent decided to write this open letter to Christianity Today, calling them out on their bias towards evangelical celebrities. I’ll take two examples. Which is not even getting into the FACT that these are two very different circumstances. Fear no one but God. Ravi, I love who you are (and) what you’ve done!” Author and preacher Christine Caine also expressed gratitude to Zacharias, saying he “has had a profound impact on my life. !” “Why not, I’m not claiming it as a universal truth, but it’s my real world experience.”. And this goes back to the family rules. Zacharias is currently facing allegations that reflect on his credibility. Jesus was a good man and was crucified with the accusation of being a betrayer, blasphemer, liar, and full of demons. As he pranced back and force above us, speaking as though he was an “agent” of a god, with his sneering and jeering facial expressions (in which I will NEVER EVER forget as long a I live), I believe he was spiritual abusing those of us women within the congregation that dared and cared to question his teachings and behavioral patterns. My apologies for not replying to you before now. Yet in the end you have to put judgement back in the hands of God. What was Ravi Zacharias thinking? No. Out of our wounds flow compassion, understanding, & grace. KAS said, Who the HELL decided that “Yahweh/Jehovah” should be written LORD? How do you know she hadn’t tried that already? “Sadly, the interim investigation update indicates this assessment of Ravi’s behavior to be true—that he did indeed … Beth Moore Says It’s a Sin to Support Donald Trump, Protected: Polemics Report For Jan 20, 2021 (Exclusive for Subscribers), Patreon Exclusive: “A Christian’s Guide to the Constitution”, Get ‘Patriots and Puritans’ Thumb Drive (Full of Prepper PDFs and Puritan Books), How Our Exclusive Content Section Was Murdered By Big Tech Censorship, at the highest levels of Christian industry, Cowardly Megachurch Pastor Apologizes for Criticising Black Lives Matter Organization, Watch this AWESOME Free Film on Critical Race Theory, and Swallow the Red Pill. Now that is the road to apostasy, and God alone knows how far down it she really went. 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